Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. [1] Early life [ edit] Wiseman is the youngest daughter of Dorothy and Kevin Wiseman and has three older brothers. David Ajala: I would be very dangerous. As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. I cant spoil anything into season five, except to say that we love Tilly. Thats the thought I had last season, when they had the perfect chance to wirte out Burnam (I believe it was Reunification III or the one after that) and they just didnt follow through at the end. Theres even a scene where she pretty much turns to the camera and says that shell stay till the very end. A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. Ridiculous or not, it has been well established in Trek canon that starships have counselors/therapists, and they are often used by the crew. | November 13, 2021 | Should the nice girl get off your lawn? My point is, a lot of the shamers are probably ashamed of themselves for being overweight and project it onto others. Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. Season 4 sees Sonequa Martin-Green's, Michael Burnham, return with her. I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. They just didnt do much with him. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. They should have tried to make Tilly more credible first. Shaming is one thing. I look at Disco as adding a new flavor to the existing universe. And a. Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. Control over ones own body is the most basic freedom we should have. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. I wonder what the advertisers behind this site think of posts like this. For people who dont know, it had to do with Voyager leading a fleet of ships going back to the Delta Quadrant a few years after Voyager arrived home. She wears 36D bra size and weighs 147 pounds. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. It was a good perspective in S1, and lines up with Star Trek values. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Too nervous and anxious. Bad, character pandering types of writing, with over-emotional children in the roles of astronaut-scientist-soldiers. However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. Come on she looks great. Its shall we say very variable. I dont understand this at all. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. Why is that a command level position? A person who we see strive to make themselves a better person. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? Finally, actress Rekha Sharma shared this fun behind-the-scenes photo with Doug Jones and David Benjamin Tomlinson, where she lamented Landry being killed off yet again. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. Shes changed. Episodes will be available on Fridays internationally on Netflix. In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. For someone who is supposed to care about others, shes been remarkably stuck in her own emotions. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. Shes a geeky, nerdy character, so wonderfully over the top, like so many of us in the fandom. Loved that show, so did my wife. Anyway it was just a thought. Typical. Its gotten very stale now. Too nervous and anxious. Sometimes it worked over amazing distances other times not. 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I see them as similar. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. Acceptance? I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. Its her, Adira, Stamets, and Reno who are the really hard science people. Its 2020 and were taking any more of your sh!t. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. I think theres room for it. It was so fun. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. But then again Im not a troll. Mary Wiseman claims that she wants to inspire all the curvy women around the world with her Star Trek weight gain story. Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. But because of Discovery we have Lower Decks, Picard, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, Short Treks, possibly Section 31 and the Academy show. Just more pandering. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Sincerely, obesity is defined in terms of the proportion of body fat associated higher risk of illness. Keep up the great work ladies! Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. Tillys a fantastic character. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. Picard is the third Kurtzman Production. Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. Took time to reset the franchise. I found him quite annoying, myself. And I just let the writers take me on a journey. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. And yeah the Full Circle stories do sound a bit depressing especially since SPOILER ALERT they kill off Janeway in them! Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. Two Kelpians and a Disco Kenny (Zero Kelpians were harmed during this shoot. Do you see that tension? Mary Wiseman: That was a really good teaser. Mary Wiseman: Well what is like the same root of Book but like the polar opposite expression of it? Background information. (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! To me, at least. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. I agree 100%. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. Id add Kirk to that at several times over the years. There is a great scene back in S1 when Tilly and Burnham are doing cardio training and post workout are eating their protien, carbs and fat nutrition, something that the body requires after a hard cardio workout. She is super meta. This is a part of the reason people cant take to them, alongside their poorly written characters. It is incredibly bad and is a publicly dangerous message to be sending. I could watch Tilly all day! With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. Make it make sense! After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). What? Shes not going anywhere. I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. I realize there are people who like his quirks. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. She is absolutely beautiful just as she is. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. I have to agree. As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. For more info or tickets visit the Lincoln Center Theater site. Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! Ive learned a lot of bad spelling comes from dictating into your smartphone. You can start with those or the later books in the Time to sequence without significant confusion. She cant control her weight. This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. By the way, could of isnt English. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. The doctor was usually the therapist. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. . Proceed accordingly. Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . Conversational, easy to listen to and understand every point. So many characters, and all were very well developed with interesting stories. I realized that unless I wanted to deal with health issues like hypertension, diabetes and other medical ailments, I would have to eat less and less as I got older and older. Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. Theres a little Harley Quinn. I KNOW, people say they are great, I was too focused on Star Trek when those were airing, but I might try and give the original show a shot one day. I always felt that I wanted hips and a butt. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. For your own good, please seek help. Not sure what her weight has to do with anything. Its not SMGs fault of course, its just the way she has be written throughout the series. And Tilly is the Trekkie. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. And CBS posted some images of Emperor Georgious quarters on the ISS Discovery. He has been part of the Litverse writers room run by Pocket Books and knows not only Beyers works but the books written by others in great detail, and across all eras. At the end of season three, I felt that she became captain not because she had earned it, but because the time had run out on the series plan for her promotion. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. She is relatable and human and wonderful. Story: With . That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. I like Tilly but shes not my favourite character. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. After Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Tilly (Mary Wiseman) journey to a planet alongside Burnham's mother Gabrielle (Sonja Sohn), things get a little hairy when the Qowat Milat nun they're . Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). It is their choice to be as they choose to be, and their responsibility to deal with the pros and cons of whatever fitness choices they choose. What do you think it looks like? By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. Absolutely. You two are Michaels boyfriend and best friend, so does Michael becoming captain create any new tension in season four? I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. Gotta side with Sascha here. There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. Hahahaha! For me, generally speaking, when Barclay or Trois mom appeared it signaled a terrible episode in advance. I would expect more from the Star Trek crowd, which is usually quite enlightened. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! I agree with you on principle as far at this being fine on a fictional Star Trek show. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. In her interview with TrekMovie last week, Discovery co-showrunner Michelle Paradise echoed these sentiments: Well never be done with Tilly. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! Shes loved. She strikes me as no different than Barkley. While Tilly had big dreams in Star Trek: Discovery season 1, she struggled with feelings of inadequacy and was hindered by a social awkwardness that often left her feeling like an outsider. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. Stupid decision to bring her back. Sonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. Thats the thing about DSC. Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. 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Waste of talent. Episodes will be. My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. For me I love how it deals with social logic as well as technology. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. Keep up the great work ladies! Its so brutal. I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. No one of my Trekkie friends, growing up with TNG watch this anymore. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery?
